Someone asked me if the One Drop Rule is a good idea so here’s a short, off-the-cuff article with my thoughts on the matter.
Contents.
1. Background Info
2. My thoughts on the One Drop Rule
3. What is the “Whiteness” cutoff?
1. Background Info
Prior to the Civil War, freeborn people with 12.5% non-White ancestry (one great-grandparent) were generally considered White and assimilated into the American population, as were ‘White passing’ mixed-race individuals. Following the Civil War, some states enacted legislation that increased this figure to 12.5% or higher for African ancestry. As a result, only people with one Black great-great-grandparent (or less) could be considered White.
The ‘One Drop Rule,’ introduced in the 1900s, stated that anyone with one Black ancestor (“one drop of Black blood”), no matter how distant, would be considered Black. This rule established a racial binary, replacing mixed-race classifications such as “mulatto.” In the early 1900s, some Amerindians also adopted the One Drop Rule and barred people with African admixture from joining their tribes.
Ironically, most non-White people in the West today adhere to a watered-down version of the One Drop Rule, under which anyone with recent non-White admixture is classified as a non-White “Person of Color.” As written in the New York Times (2018):
“A person with mixed Native American and white ancestry is a Native American. A person with mixed African American and white ancestry is an African American. A person with mixed Asian American and white ancestry is an Asian American.”
Just kidding. That’s a paraphrased quote from The Passing of The Great Race (1916) by the infamous “scientific racist,” Madison Grant. However, it accurately describes the current situation, and it’s pretty funny that ardent anti-racists agree with the American Arch-Racist.
2. My thoughts on the One Drop Rule
The One Drop Rule is a terrible metric because it is indefensible in the face of modern scientific developments, particularly in the field of genetics. All human races, past and present, have at least a trace of ancestry from other races. Depending on the level of analysis, the amount can be nearly undetectable, but 100% of humans would fail the “One Drop Rule” for their respective races.
In terms of ancient admixture, all White people have some Middle Eastern ancestry (e.g. Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer ancestry inherited from the Proto-Indo-Europeans). Whites also have some distant East Asian admixture passed down from the Ancient North Eurasians, to whom we trace 5-35% of our ancestry. Modern humans also have 1% to 20% ancestry (depending on race) from various archaic human species, such as Neanderthals and Denisovans. These facts alone are sufficient to disprove the One Drop Rule.
3. What is the “Whiteness” cutoff?
A White person can be easily defined on a genetic level as “an individual who genetically clusters with modern Europeans and who overwhelmingly descends from the same major ancestral populations as all Europeans: Proto-Indo-Europeans, Early European Farmers, and European Hunter-Gatherers.”
However, determining where to draw the line in terms of recent non-White genetic admixture can be difficult. As previously mentioned, all Europeans have at least some non-European admixture. So, the One Drop Rule is out of the question. It was silly in the 1800s and it’s silly today.
An important factor to consider is that different types of racial admixture can have colossally different impacts on appearance, behavior, health, and so on. The less genetically and phenotypically similar a population is to Europeans, the more divergent and “less White” a mixed-race individual will appear.
Admixture between distantly related populations, in general, increases the probability of novel and potentially harmful gene combinations. These can result in outbreeding depression, which has the same negative effects as inbreeding depression: Reduced fertility, lower birth rates, higher infant and child mortality, facial asymmetry, shorter height, immune disorders, increased cardiovascular risks, and so on.
Furthermore, humans have evolved to live in specific environments. Desert genes do not fair well in cold European climates, just as European genes do not fair well in the desert. Ashkenazi Jews are ~50% European and often have fair skin pigmentation. As a result, Israel has one of the highest rates of skin cancer in the world: “Although Israeli Arabs, especially men, tend to work more outdoors, melanoma in this sector is rare compared to that of Jewish Israelis” (Jerusalem Post, 2022). Similarly, dark-skinned immigrants in Northern Europe suffer from severe vitamin D deficiency, with some ethnic groups suffering rates of over 50%, even during the summer (University of South Australia, 2020).
25% ancestry from a non-White Caucasoid (e.g. a Lebanese Arab) often results in an individual who can easily pass as Southern European. Although, they should still be classified as mixed-race due to having a foreign grandparent. 25% ancestry from a completely distinct major race (East Asian, Amerindian, Oceanian, or African) has a more significant genetic impact. For example, Castizos and Saamis (~25% Amerindian and East Asian ancestry, respectively) can pass as European, but often have some stereotypically Asian features and stand out as non-White. Individuals with 25% Sub-Saharan African ancestry, on the other hand, rarely look White — if ever.
Saamis, ~25% East Asian:
75% European, ~25% African:
In conclusion, I think the old American rule of ≤12.5% non-White ancestry (one great-grandparent or less) is a good starting point. Of course, this will not apply to every individual situation, nor every race, but it is a suitable guideline with broad applicability.
Disregarding genetics mumbo-jumbo: Miscegenation, in general, should be discouraged because it has a negative social impact. It causes cultural discord and erosion, and identity crises in children. The internet is littered with videos and posts by mixed-race children who complain that they are “torn between two worlds” and lack a true sense of belonging to any culture or ethnic group.
But, in the end, we are powerless to impose such regulations. And who knows what the so-called “White” race of the future will look like? 85% of Argentinians identify as “White” today, but only a fraction of that percentage would be classified as White by my metrics. Let’s hope that Western nations can peacefully end this deranged “multiculturalism” experiment before they devolve into South-America-tier chaos, or worse.
100% disagree this lays the slippery slope of allowing it in the first place and gives the left ammo to use it as a moral justification to promote multiculturalism in the first place. The one drop rule is literally what separates the humans from the beasts
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I’m gonna risk being blocked by thule for that one but
“The one drop rule is literally what separates the humans from the beasts”
Or does it ?
http://www.macroevolution.net/
(Or maybe he’ll appreciate given he’s a genetics nerd)
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I don’t block or remove any posts simply for disagreeing, only for being rude.
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But my source is a genetic nuke on our side’s standards and i still have trouble understanding exactly what gets posts removed.
Either way no hard feelings, you’re still one of the best blogs out there.
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A lot of the time it’s not actually me removing posts. The spam filter puts legit posts into the spam box and they get lost in a sea of porn links and bitcoin scams.
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I don’t see it as a “genetic nuke” at all. McCarthy’s stabilization theory would suggest that race mixing is a form of hybridization that can create new racial groups. Modern Europeans, Ashkenazi Jews, African Americans, and Anglo-Indians are all racial groups that were created through hybridization of two or more racial groups. Recognizing this, the question becomes “Is this hybridization good for the gene pool in general?” In the case of the admixture that produced modern Europeans, we can conclude that it was overall good (we will never know if it was “optimal”). In the case of African Americans, we can conclude that the admixture is overall negative (though from the perspective of Congoid peoples it may be positive if their offspring carries desirable genes due to European admixture).
There are two important considerations here: is the admixture threatening the existence of one of the parent races, and is the admixture representative of introgression of genes into a parent race, or is it creating a new race outright.
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People that harp on about “one drop rule”, especially in America, are potentially disregarding a large percentage of White Americans, right? I saw one of your old posts on the Harvard study of America genetics – and didn’t it conclude that the average American is 98.6 percent European? So, many of these people promoting the “one drop rule” likely have at least some – very little – nonWhite DNA.
I have no dog in this fight, I’m 100 percent White, from genealogy and my DNA test. But still, how long does it take for this nonWhite admixture to be “bred out”? Some people (Nature and Race) act like we will mongrelize our whole race by accepting those with even one drop of nonWhite blood. This obviously isn’t true, right?
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I think the “european race” or the europid caucasoids were born as a “homogenous” group just after the bronze age, so I wouldn’t consider that tiny part of asian or middle-eastern admixture brought by the aryans as “non-white”, because the whites had to form yet.
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>”The One Drop Rule is a terrible metric because it is indefensible in the face of modern scientific developments, particularly in the field of genetics. All human races, past and present, have at least a trace of ancestry from other races. Depending on the level of analysis, the amount can be nearly undetectable, but 100% of humans would fail the “One Drop Rule” for their respective races.”
Well actually…..
96-97% of Whites have no African ancestry. Source: http://www.theroot.com/articles/history/2013/02/how_mixed_are_african_americans.3.html
97% of Whites have no Black ancestry whatsoever. Source: http://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-white-Black-a-murky-distinction-grows-still-murkier/
There was minimal gene flow between archaic Europeans and Asians. Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/20/science/20adapt.html
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Reblogged this on Calculus of Decay .
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Thuletide:
“But, in the end, we are powerless to impose such regulations. And who knows what the so-called “White” race of the future will look like? 85% of Argentinians identify as “White” today, but only a fraction of that percentage would be classified as White by my metrics. Let’s hope that Western nations can peacefully end this deranged “multiculturalism” experiment before they devolve into South-America-tier chaos, or worse.”
Do you think the fate of white people around the world is miscegenation?
What white ethnic groups do you consider most suitable to survive this century?
There are millions of non-white immigrants in Anglo-Saxon countries, mixed-race and non-white immigrants are the groups with the highest population growth in Anglo-Saxon countries.
France, Belgium and the Netherlands have millions of mena and blacks, and there is a lot of miscegenation, especially native women with black or mena men.
Spain and Portugal have many immigrants from their former colonies in Africa, Asia and Latin America.
Romania and Hungary have huge and booming Roma populations.
Greece and Italy have millions of African and mena immigrants.
Russia has millions of non-white native Muslims, Asians, and millions of immigrants from countries of the former USSR.
Scandinavia and Germany are already of half immigrant origin in younger generations.
Boers are in the verge of extinction.
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If all the world races mix and homogenize is it possible that they will all eventually become white from natural selection of white genes?
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Nah, natural selection doesn’t work like that. Whatever future races exist in the various regions of the world would quickly evolve similar pigmentation phenotypes to modern races in those respective regions, because skin color is a climactic adaptation and a very rapidly evolving trait. IIRC it is the fastest evolving trait.
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But Aryans will never return. You’ll get mongrels with weakened immunity system.
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You’d need to, like, randomly scatter the entire world population in equal proportions everywhere to do this, and natural selection would quickly take care of this – any totally homogeneous race would break up over time simply because to maintain it you would need to randomly relocate everyone everywhere every few centuries.
Some White genes could be selected for, but you won’t ever re-evolve Whites (or any existing race for that matter). Though because certain worthwhile traits, especially in civilization result in a White phenotype, most of the resultant races will probably all look physically Whiter than expected if civilization is maintained.
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Even if we have “non-white” ancestry, evolution didn’t stop when we became humans and we can still use the law of natural selection to improve our white genes.
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The mentality of preserving racial purity is good and the one drop rule had a positive effect of this in America. I dont think anyone supporting the one drop rule policy back then would consider someone mixed-race because of a sliver of East Asian from the proto-indo-europeans. That is honestly pedantic and not comparable to having high standards with regards to modern admixture.
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Disagree.
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25% african is 25% too much.
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This is what I think is proper metrics:
For West African DNA: Should not exceed 6%, or 1/16. This means all Europeans as well as most Boers are well within the boundaries. Subsaharan African DNA is almost completely foreign from European history.
For East Eurasian DNA: Should not exceed 1/8, or 12.5%. This is how the Spaniards and some others defined it, and it also is in line with European history. It includes the Sarmatians and Scythians who historically inhabited Europe, who tended to have around 5-10% Siberian ancestry. As well as modern Finns and North Russians, who have around 3-5%. Of course, this is somewhat lenient, since there’s a big difference between Australoids, Amerindians, Siberians, and Mongoloids proper.
For MENA DNA: Use cluster analysis and genetic distances. There isn’t *really* Europe and MENA clusters. There’s West Eurasian Hunter Gatherers with varying degrees of Basal Eurasian/ANA. I’m more suspicious of Arabians and to some extent Levantines than I am “West Asians” due to heightened “deep” components in the former.
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Agree
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Mestizos aren’t White but the Castizo is a hit or miss category. Some relate more to Mestizos, some relate more to Whites. If you put Nick Fuentes in the middle of a Central American caravan, he wouldn’t relate to those people and be looking for the nearest available Whites.
Not 3/4 White but over 3/4 White is effectively White. Nick is 79%. If under 90% isn’t accepted for the ethnostate, understandable, but until then, over 75% White is White.
Saw a video where Handsome Truth’s grandparents on one side are Mexican which would make him a Castizo. I always suspected it just looking at him even though he posted a (fake) Scottish-German DNA result of 100% European.
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Castizos aren’t White. By this logic I could argue that Ashkenazi Jews are White, that basically everyone from the North Caucasus is White, that countless North African Berbers (e.g. Zidane) with pale pigmentation are White.
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From my viewpoint I see this brought up to signal that whiteness is BS. That the population percentage would decline less if part-white people were included. Thoughts?
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