- Faulty assumptions & comparisons
- My core argument
- Ashkenazi IQ: Genetic studies
- PGS & GWAS
- Conclusion and advice for future arguments
In 2020, I published an article expressing doubts that the average IQ of Ashkenazi Jews is as high as they claim (108 to 115). There is no contention regarding the average IQ of Sephardi and Mizrahi Jews, which match that of Europeans (~100) and Arabs (~90), respectively. My skepticism stemmed from the logical assumption that an ethnic group renowned for, well, let’s just say “posting disinformation,” would not be entirely honest when studying their own average IQ.
2. Faulty assumptions & comparisons
I assumed that Ashkenazi Jews, like the Chinese (who are notorious for academic fraud and cheating), overinflated their average IQ through biased sampling. This assumption was partially based on the fact that the most commonly cited studies on Ashkenazi IQ were unreliable for a variety of reasons, such as tiny, unrepresentative sample sizes (as noted by Richard Lynn).
The commonly cited Chinese average IQ of ~105 is based on the educated, urban population in northeastern China. I do not doubt this figure — it aligns with the North East Asian ethno-states of Japan and Korea — but a 2019 study did find that rural Chinese IQ in Henan and Anhui is around 90.
It is also worth noting that there is no single “Chinese” ethnicity. It is a multi-ethnic empire that has assimilated several distinct groups into the “Han Chinese” identity. So, the average IQ of 105 cannot possibly apply to the entire population of China.
Unlike the Chinese, Ashkenazi Jews are an ethnically-homogeneous, entirely urbanized, and highly educated population. So, my comparison was faulty to begin with.
3. My core argument
Some of my original arguments were valid, while others were debunked (see this comment critiquing my article, for example). My primary argument, that the overrepresentation of Ashkenazi Jews cannot be attributed to their high IQ (or to their high IQ alone), still stands.
There are more high-IQ (135+ or top 2%) Whites in America alone than there are high-IQ Ashkenazi Jews worldwide, and similarly high-IQ groups (East Asians) are not overrepresented.
Ashkenazi overrepresentation is clearly a result of their ethnic nepotism/cooperation, ridiculously high in-group preference, and group-evolutionary strategy of undermining their primary ethnic competitors through “Affirmative Action” policies and so on. This is undeniably true, but proving it is outside of the scope of this article.
4. Ashkenazi IQ: Genetic studies
Recent genetic studies have debunked my hypothesis that Ashkenazi IQ is not as high as 108 to 115. In 2019, a study on Ashkenazi IQ (Dunkel et al.) was conducted by a team of scientists including Emil Kirkegaard and Michael Woodley. They are honest academics who do not shy away from politically incorrect topics. There is no reason to doubt their good intentions. Regrettably, I was not aware of this study prior to writing my original article.
The study constructed a polygenic score (PGS), based on data from genome-wide association studies (GWAS), which provides genetic evidence for Ashkenazi Jews’ high IQ. [Note: PGS & GWAS explained later]. The authors predicted that Ashkenazi IQ is probably around 110, on the lower end of the 108-115 range. Kirkegaard later confirmed that it is definitely not as high as 115.
Dunkel et al. used a relatively small sample size of 53 people, but it was found to be “fairly representative” of the US Jewish population by comparing the sample population’s socioeconomic characteristics (which correlate with IQ) to those of all US Jews.
The authors readily admitted that their study does not provide conclusive evidence of Ashkenazi IQ and that further genetic studies are required. However, their study has been externally replicated (Piffer 2019) and more genetic studies on Ashkenazi IQ are in the pipeline.
The replication included this handy visual representation:
5. PGS & GWAS
In layman’s terms, a genome-wide association study (GWAS) is the process of sampling/studying the DNA of a large number of people to find genetic mutations that are associated with specific biological characteristics (e.g. height). Researchers can then use this information to create a model that predicts how likely an individual or population is to exhibit these characteristics. This is represented by a number known as a polygenic score (PGS). It’s important to note that PGS only predict genetic predispositions and do not take environmental influences into account.
This is an extremely simplified explanation that does not address the underlying mathematics of GWAS and PGS but, hopefully, it is sufficient.
6. Conclusion and advice for future arguments
While my initial skepticism was, in my opinion, well-founded, I no longer support the claim that Ashkenazi Jews are not among the most intelligent ethnic groups in the world, if not the most intelligent. My intention has always been to post the truth and I believe that our arguments must be easily defensible and grounded in reality.
Claiming that Ashkenazi Jews are not smart, even in the face of decent genetic data produced by trustworthy scientists, is an indefensible cope and I apologize for helping to popularize this rhetoric. Future data on Ashkenazi IQ may vindicate my initial suspicions, but I doubt it.
Going forward, I recommend that people focus on and expand the easily provable and defensible argument laid out in my original article: Even if Ashkenazi IQ is as high as current evidence suggests (110), this does not explain their massive overrepresentation in positions of power and influence.
If IQ were the only predictor of power, success, influence, etc., then Ashkenazi Jews would not be overrepresented by hundreds of percent in all positions of power and influence. Their IQ is similar that of the more intelligent East Asian nations (e.g. Singaporeans’ 108 IQ), who do not even come close to their level of overrepresentation.
I may write an article on this topic in future but I’ll need to conduct a lot of research beforehand.
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“I recommend that people focus on and expand the easily provable and defensible argument laid out in my original article . . .”
A solid argument that is important for our understanding of reality.
But rhetorically, it skips over the most important step. It’s almost an Emperor’s New Clothes gambit on the part of the dishonest j-apologist.
When someone tries to tell you that merit explains jewish success and power, there is one thing that needs to be stated, one fact that makes nonsense of these vapid apologetics:
We don’t live in a meritocracy.
Jews have power because they are smart and capable? How do those facts connect? We don’t live in a meritocracy.
We live in a system where a top man in the ATF believes that Arirsoft toys are 98% complete military firearm components. We live in a system where the woman who was almost Speaker of the House believes that unemployment data is calculated by comparing the number of people to the number of “jobs.” Our society has given the reward of being the most popularly respected and publicly lauded “scientist” to a man who is incapable of arguing against a convergent evolution hypothesis by any tactic other than responding to every argument by calling his debate opponent a closed-minded bigot.
If what jews had going for them was intelligence and capability, they would be down at the bottom of the manure pile right next to all the smart capable Whites who have been cast down and replaced by incompetent blacks, browns, and yes, even incompetent yellows and jews (have you been through a top-level elite STEM education program? Those paper scores the yellows supposedly get somehow don’t translate to being as competent as the White students, who supposedly get lower entry exam results (ignoring that we’ve all read the Unz article, so we know what the real story is with that)).
To echo the words of Yeezy, the details of the data are important, and I’m gonna let you finish, but we must say “there is no meritocracy” first, forcefully, and with finality. There can be no real discussion, no real mind-changing exploration, about any topic related to the question of success and representation in the Contemporary West until this basic fact is explicitly acknowledged. Jumping ahead to the data just becomes irrelevant background noise to the majority of even politically-engaged Whites.
We do not live in a meritocracy, we live under a racial Spoils System, and if jews were not beneficiaries of that Spoils System, they would be sucking crap down here with the one group that does not benefit from that Spoils System: Whites. Now that we’ve cleared that up, if you haven’t stormed off in indignation, let’s break down the numbers so we can nail the point in place even harder through hard data.
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The IQ is a symptom, not a cause.
Ever since the fall of Israel, the Jewish diaspora has been recognized internally and externally as a “people set apart”. The intent in the utter destruction of old Judea by the Roman empire was explicitly to address the ever-looming threat of an uprising by scattering them into various surrounding cultures where they would be naturally subsumed and assimilated, but they had already had over a thousand years of experience counteracting that specific problem to the point where it remains as powerful an aspect of Jewish culture today as it did thousands of years ago.
This is not enough. You must also issue a public apology to any and all of your Askhenazi Jewish followers.
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Why would they follow me? We’re playing for different teams. I’m only apologizing to the White people who I provided with faulty rhetoric.
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Tbf I have seen Middle Easterners and Blacks comment on your posts, so I wouldn’t be surprised if some of your followers were Jewish
I’m askenazi Jewish and I follow your posts.
I reckon you could be getting Kremlin trolled Thuletide, you’re one of the only ‘nationalist’ bloggers who haven’t taken Moscow’s penny it seems & that’s bound to get attention. Strange how many of these odd comments are happening lately, after all this time, trying to discredit you. The way you stick to the truth is appreciated out here, thanks.
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Then there’s also ‘those’ who don’t like to see corrections done, especially in such a reasoned manner, preferring people to flounder around with half truths and low brow slander.
Probably not feds/spooks tbh, most likely butthurt fans of people I’ve insulted and/or disagreed with in the past.
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For a number of reasons:
1) Because i’m probably one of the rare few that actually doesn’t hate white people. I prefer them over other racial groups. In fact I consider myself white as I grew up in the western world. (Nowadays I know i probably wont be seen as white by most). (I’m also not full ashkenazi jew, i’m a genetic slurry it seems like. I haven’t done a DNA test though)
2)In your about page you mention how “If you feel like the world is descending into madness/ interest in conspiracy facts/ If you dislike Globalism and all of its ideological trappings then you are in the right place”, so I figured this website would be a good one to follow.
3)following content such as this and others like it equips me with knowledge to better counteract the agenda being pushed today, redarging white replacement and other things. Although this endeavor is somewhat fruitless in trying to redpill friends and family because I usually get called a conspiracy theorist, redneck, bootlicker or something of the sort.
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Also, I find the leftist rhetoric absurd that white people need to go extinct in order for the world to be good. I’m sure I don’t need to explain that one any further.
On top of that I can recognize the great things those of european stock have done for the world (inventions, art, philosophy)
I’m sure a lot of white hatred also stems from a place of jealousy.
I weep for the white man
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Well that all seems reasonable enough.
Out of curiosity, what’s your stance on the JQ?
On the JQ, makes me feel like i’m stuck between a rock and a hard place.
I’m all for the swift removal of those that wish harm upon whites, But i myself do not wish to be swept up/lumped up with the bad ones and forced to relocate to Israel. (I’ve lived there, I do NOT like it and much prefer white society and culture)
Now, while I believe most reasonable whites would have no issues with me considering my opinions and outward appearance (i’m what you call ‘white passing’ despite being a mutt), there are the more extremely opinionated ones that would have nothing to do with me and would want me removed/ executed despite what I’ve laid out in my previous comments. Can’t say I blame them considering what’s going on.
I wish more thought like you do. Are you religiously Jewish or only ethnically?
Ethnically, I rejected the faith back when I was in 6th grade.
It’s a shame the Holocaust happened. Askhenazis could’ve been genuine allies against low IQ anti-white browns. Maybe Latin Americans as well, 93 isn’t terribly low…
I don’t think the people who have been pushing for non-White immigration since before the Holocaust would be our allies against immigrants.
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I thought the holocaust is the only reason jews are anti-white
Are you nuts? Of course it isn’t lol
Have you seen this nonsense? Using “Whites” as a baseline without differentiating jews and non-jewish Whites (actual White people). I’m so sick of seeing this stuff touted as “Asian discrimination” when White people are far more discriminated against in universities.
Why asians are also overrepresented in universities and why whites became a minority?
Anti-White policies like Affirmative Action that still favor Asians (even if they oppress Asians relative to Blacks and Hispanics).
Let’s not forget that all these universities were built by europeans and that we wouldn’t have this whole academia of today without western civilization. Jews, asians and etc are all studying at whiteys expense right now.
Small correction to your article:
If IQ were the only predictor of power, success, influence, etc., then Ashkenazi Jews would be overrepresented by hundreds of percent in all positions of power and influence. Their IQ is similar that of the more intelligent East Asian nations (e.g. Singaporeans’ 108 IQ), who do not even come close to their level of overrepresentation.
I think you meant to say *would not be* because there are other factors beside high IQ that explain their large overrepresentation. If IQ was the only factor, they might only be overrepresented by only tens of percent points instead of hundreds, for example.
There are certainly High IQ Asians, at least they are not a threat to Whites. The jews are far more dangerous than China.
That’s why China has openly applauded the jewish dominance of America as a minority and claimed that they intend to “replicate” it with their own tribe. Asians have proven to be just as antiWhite as jews, blacks, Hispanics, etc. Especially now that loxism is culturally dominant and we are on our way to being a small, despised, and reviled minority. And why would you expect anything less of them? As the dying husk of our defenseless civilization continues, any and all ethnic/racial groups will be their to take a piece. Have you seen what the Chinese have done to Canadian cities? Have you seen all of the farm land they are buying in America and Australia? And of course you have them colonizing Africa as we speak, freely.
How are they not a threat? You have to be living in a fantasy world.
>Asians not a threat
I think if there is one race that would have been an actual threat to whites it would be Asians.
Asians inhabit lands where whites used to live and replaced the people’s(Siberia/Central Asia).
Not to the countless Mongol/hun/turkic/ugric invasions.
There are also instances of whites in East asia who went also extinct by peaceful mixing(tocharians/Tarim).
Till this day Asians still try to do it but under a label of immigration.
But it doesn’t get as much attention compared to the SSA/ME/mestizo/south Asian immigrations all over the west and tend to think of them as harmless. While if anything they are just as anti white.
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There’s no way Latinos are 93 iq…that would make them smarter than the Irish, who are 92 IQ.
I haven’t read your article yet so apologies if you mention this, but if you haven’t, then please watch this video. https://youtu.be/stLCurXu0fc
It’s a well-presented video but it isn’t correct. It uses most of the same arguments as my original article, which also wasn’t correct. Well, not correct about Ashkenazi average IQ. It was correct about overrepresentation.
You should not be ok with WNs wanting to forcibly remove you from your country. (not saying Thule is one of those, idk if he is)
There’s a difference between being pro-white and abandoning your own interests. They are not mutually inclusive. I am 100% on board with preserving the white majority but I still put my people first
I’d let them stay if they were pro-White, abandoned their faith (which is just a religious form of ethnic/racial supremacism), and assimilated into European culture instead of being overtly hostile toward it. They’re the ones causing the problems presently and historically, not Whites.
Even the Nazis had thousands of people with Jewish ancestry in their army.
Could you direct me towards a good source on jews in the Nazi army? I’m curious to learn more.
The book “Hitler’s Jewish Soldiers” is a good start.
You can also look up the Nuremberg Laws. Although, with the recent advent of genetic knowledge, many WN today wouldn’t even agree with the Nuremberg Laws.
I saw your telegram where you discussed how some people took this article the wrong way. I respect you for publishing this article because it shows your commitment to the truth. To be honest, though, I see those people’s perspective, and if I wasn’t very familiar with your work through reading your articles, this article might rub me the wrong way.
It is always admirable to admit when you’re wrong, but I think this apology for the mistaken claims was too long and too “nice” towards Jews and painted them in too positive a manner. You could’ve just made a telegram post that said, “My original article contained some false statements; I have written a small statement at the top of the article saying, my claims regarding Jewish IQ are wrong. Some recent trustworthy studies say their IQ is ~110, and here are links to those studies.” That’s what I think would’ve been more appropriate.
In what ways did the article paint Jews in a positive manner? It’s only 900 words long (3 minute read for non-retards) and succinctly covers all of the relevant information.
Saw this great study on Keith Woods telegram on the negative relationship between trust and diversity.
Why do you keep beefing with some DR personalities like Keith Woods? So what if he likes UBI or likes Russia? How can your/our policies get into the mainstream if everyone’s fighting with one another?
Oh wow, he posted a study? I’ve never seen anyone on the DR post a study before.
I guess that means he isn’t a xenophiliac retard who shills for our geopolitical enemies, shilled for lockdowns and vaccines, called people anti-social freaks for not constantly crying about Palestine, etc.
Long response to respond to the points you brought up:
I think his “shilling” for China is just recognizing that “the enemy of my enemy is my friend.” I know CCP is in bed with WEF, but our primary enemy are the governments in our home countries. In my case that’s the US government, which is also the primary spreader of Globohomo ideology. Globohomo’s constant moralizing is also annoying af, like when they say, only we can do invasions. If any other country invades another country, it’s wrong!
China is not perfect by any stretch of the imagination. I would say our alliance with them should be like the alliance between the West and the USSR in WW2. Keith woods just recognizes that obviously we (meaning nationalists) are not going to replace our governments on our own. The #1 enemy is our governments, which is also their enemy.
I also like that China and Russia get under our Globohomo’s skin. I don’t care (that much) about their globohomo. They’re not the ones that affect us the most.
Regarding the first picture you posted, Woods was replying to someone who was saying “I NEVER cared about anyone other than our own people.” What about “sometimes”? What about “a little bit”? When you use hyperbolic statements and absolutes, you should expect criticism and being called out.
Keith Woods is Irish and understandably supports the IRA. Gaddafi supported the IRA, so you shouldn’t be surprised he likes him.
The picture with the PLO is another example of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend.” Our shared enemies are Zionists and Globohomo/our governments. One thing to note: being allies doesn’t mean we’re one and the same, or that we have the exact same interests, or we’re the best of friends. You shouldn’t confuse being allies with being friends.
Anti-vax, ChiComs, election rigging are secondary issues. Both of you are white nationalists. Thinking the vaccines are evil is less important than the fact that you are both nationalists. You should truly recognize that you belong to the same movement and stop being so hostile to him. That doesn’t mean you can’t call him out if you disagree with him, but my opinion is it should be done more respectfully. There is no need to fight amongst ourselves.
In-fighting is also a bad look. It’s always a good day for libs when they look into our movement and see us fighting. All they see is trivial squabbling and they laugh at us and say “Look at them. They’ll never pose a threat to us.” That’s how I see Marxist disagreements anyway. I silently laugh at them. If they were more professional, I wouldn’t laugh at them. Obviously, you recognize we’re as or more maligned as Marxists, even if our ideas are becoming slightly more acceptable. On a more general point, that why I believe it’s important to think about how our works and debates are perceived from a mainstream perspective.
ok, idc, he’s infought as much as anyone else.
Two wrongs don’t make a right. Idk, you can tell him r*tarded squabbling is bad and he should be more respectful. By the way, he’s wrong about ubi, Great Reset, and other stuff. I don’t know his work as well as yours, and you’re still a good guy and I appreciate your work. Just curious, do you think it’s wrong to ally yourself with brown people if you have the same main enemy?
I also remember making another comment Jan 6, was that deleted?
It’s not a case of it being right or wrong, it’s that there is literally nobody on our side. The brown people that these Third Positionist idiots try to court are all openly anti-White. They spent all day crying about Palestinians etc who then move to the West and become the most radical anti-White libtards imaginable. It sickens me.
Sometimes comments get flagged as spam, or I delete them if they include racial slurs and stuff like that. Don’t want blog to get b&.
You should know of a response to Dunkel et al, from Freese et al. It basically cautions against their methodology because you will get too much noise. https://scholar.google.ca/scholar_url?url=https://osf.io/preprints/socarxiv/eh9tq/download&hl=en&sa=X&ei=cvO4Y-PoDo_mmgH7u7pg&scisig=AAGBfm2e_PjU5iuHhzTNJBZL-jsBld6GjQ&oi=scholarr
Piffel puts their IQ at 107-108, so that’s within range of what Helmuth Nyborg and Audacious Epigone has calculated.
Apolgoies cause this is slightly off-topic but still related to IQ.
According to this, the average IQ of Iranians older than 20 is 106.
What do you make of this?
I don’t see any mention that Iranians have an IQ of 106 in this study. Can you post screenshot?
I have never seen a study that predicts Iran’s IQ as over 90, let alone over 100. Lynn gave them IQ of 84:
I think it’s bogus.
I recently came across a concept called epigenetics. Often a argument used by leftist to claim their equality delusions.
They often use the argument of the Agouti mouse, which is 1 alterned gene with epigenetics having huge effects.
Could you go into the epigenetic argument more into the future?
It could help the cause much further.
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Poor Italians lmao. One of the most intelligent white ethnic groups by far, and yet they have to be lumped in with sub-90 IQ Albanians, Serbs, Bosnians, etc
I read the methodology section of the study and I have to say the study amd what you are drawing out of is flawed.
For one the data is gathered from a Wisconsin high school survey with that stated in the 50’s so it is a multigenerational composite, and we know that schooling has changed drastically in the last 70 years.
It is not a racial study rather it is a religious study which compares 2,000 Lutherans to 2,600 catholics to 53 Jews. The religious affiliations do not take into account for race so we don’t know how what percentage of white people are found in the religious groups, although the survey authors say that the Christian groups are overwhelmingly white they didn’t provide any figures to back that up. Standard deviation is also going to be very much greater in the Jewish population sample due to its small size.
Also the female to male ratio js roughly equal in the Christian populations butnis 58 percent in the Jewish population.
I also question how valid a survey of Wisconsin high school students is when extrapolating an entire races intelligence.
Assuming that the survey was done with the best of intentions. Which I see no reason not to believe, it is far too much if a point sample to draw any conclusions when it comes to Ashkenazi IQ
Sorry I forgot to explain the significance of the male/female ratio, which is that it shows how large of a sigma the Jewish population of the survey sample has.
“After these selection criteria, thesample included 2,603 Catholics (51.2% fe-male), 2,027 Lutherans (50.5% female), and 53Jews (58.5% female)”
Now it has been proven that the male to femal ratio is 1:1 or 50 percent. If we assume that the mean IQ for all above is 100 then the ratio is one half of the IQ. Therefore in order to demonstrate the gross sigma difference in the study I will double the percentages given and compare them to IQ.
For Lutherns it is: 101
For Catholics it is: 102.4
For Jewish it is: 117
So in summation the survey is deeply flawed if we are drawing any conclusions about the IQ of the entire Jewish race as the sigma is already off by 17 whole points!
Sice they’e so intelligent, I bet they have calculated the effects of losing White People as hosts; losing all scientific and technical innovattion and maintenaince, and more importantly, the only ones with enugh moral to be guilliable to guilt.
That’s why they’re propping up and moving to Russia/China
Sample size is really small (suspiciously so) for the jewish group and the study is comparing them to other religious groups rather than other racial or ethnic groups. It also doesn’t seem to me that any of these sample groups are sufficiently representative or even “fairly representative,” especially not of any ethnic or racial groups. I’m not convinced.
How can 53 people to be a true representation of a group, while testing for IQ. I smell a rat. The way you’ve done a complete 180, is astounding, especially believing the two guys doing the studies could never be corrupted to make sure that Ashkenazi IQ is kept at the level, the elitist Ashkenazi want the world to believe. How do you know for sure that these 53 people weren’t handpicked for their intelligence?
White Episcopalians score higher on IQ than the Ashkenazi, but when testing for IQ, gentile whites are normally lumped in as a huge mass of whites from all over the world, including Hispanics, yet Ashkenazi have the luxury of being separated out, from Sephardic and Mizrah Jews. So Ashkenazi are given a bump up, while whites are hobbled, as usual.
108-115 IQ average for Ashkenazi is insanely suspect. Ashkenazi have the power they have through lots of nepotism, not their supposed high IQ. Yes, the certain members of Ashkenazi are intelligent, nobody is saying otherwise, but whites are the average of 100, while Asians are 103-105 and Ashkenazi are 107-115, just seems way too convenient, especially considering everything gentile whites in the west have invented and discovered, which is almost everything.
It’s a pity you’re not as moral and fair as you make out, because you come across as a person that has been corrupted on this subject and bought off, or you are lying because of the grief you got over your last blog about over bloated Ashkenazi IQ. You must have known they would come hard at you, they desperately need the world to believe their massive average IQ.
You haven’t posted a single counter argument. This is just irrational seething about stuff that was already addressed in the study and my article.
I wrote the article because my previous article was wrong and misinformed people. More importantly, it gave people bad arguments to use against Jewish overrepresentation. We should use bulletproof arguments, not arguments that can easily be debunked by a few genetic studies.
I literally said all of this in the article. Are you illiterate?
You have dyslexia and an IQ of 104 as measured by the Stanford-Binet 5.
The test used was shit, modern jews are mixed, and the methodology + sample is ass.
Not an argument.
hey thuletide, what do you think of Will Vivare’s work, he runs some substack called Minschling Review. All he seems to do is try to discredit the JQ, and unsurprisingly, he’s half Jewish himself.
Not familiar with it.
Hey, I’m new to this blog. Though I’m not of any European descent myself I’ve read through several of your posts. While I can’t say I agree with everything I’ve read, I’ve been generally impressed with them. Thanks for searching for the truth and providing useful synopses and evidence on such contentious issues as race and [redacted].
By the way, I admire your changing your view on this matter when you thought you were proven wrong – it certainly isn’t easy to renounce one’s opinions, especially on these kinds of controversial topics and I respect that!
Thanks and hope you found something useful.
Regarding changing views: I care about the truth so I always go by best available evidence. You can’t solve an issue unless you look at it objectively and honestly.