Important disclaimer: I am not advocating/endorsing accelerationism or violent revolution. TY.
What is Societal Collapse?
One of the most important books to read on the topic of societal collapse is ‘The Collapse of Complex Societies’ by Joseph Tainter. It’s an incredibly well-researched study of various societal collapses throughout history. Tainter develops a model of collapse via seventeen examples, then applies it to three case studies: The Western Roman Empire, the Mayan civilization of Mesoamerica, and the Chaco culture of North America.
Most people understand ‘collapse’ to mean “society becomes very shitty”, but Tainter provides the technical definition of ‘collapse = a massive reduction in the complexity of a society’ (not quoted verbatim).
A ‘complex system’ can be loosely defined as ‘a system that consists of multiple interdependent parts or subsystems that interact in a non-simple way.’ Note the operative word: Non-simple. A wristwatch has multiple interacting parts, but operates in a simple manner to perform a simple task. According to Tainter’s model, a society increases in complexity by adding new layers of infrastructure and bureaucracy as a method of solving problems (e.g., to resolve energy shortages). Societal complexity has diminishing returns, in that the more complex and intricate a society becomes, the more fragile and unsustainable it is. The bigger you build a house of cards, the more likely it is to fall down.
A simplified example of societal collapse would be an industrialized society reverting to an agricultural society, or an agricultural society reverting to a hunter-gatherer society.
Societal collapse is generally a quick process but doesn’t necessarily equate to instantaneous mass starvation (though, that is a possible outcome in most, if not all collapse scenarios). Collapse has occurred on varied timescales throughout history, depending on the complexity of the collapsing society, as well as the causal and contributory factors.
Unless a society is being obliterated in all-out total war (see: Libya, Syria, Kosovo, etc.), the onset of collapse is generally a process of gradual decline, with numerous identifiable warning signs:
- Economic conditions worsen
- Cultural identity is lost
- Invasions and mass migrations occur
- Demographics shift
- Criminality increases
- Sanitation decreases
- Diseases spread
- Basic public services and utilities become dysfunctional
- Creativity and cognition decline
- People forget how to use and maintain certain technologies
- Buildings are abandoned
- Everything falls into a state of disarray and disrepair
The Western Roman Empire, for example, collapsed in slow motion over multiple centuries, with numerous factors contributing to its decline: Violent foreign invasion, culture-destabilizing mass migration, the loss of resource-providing territories (such as the grain supplies of North Africa), and so on.
Although many factors may contribute to and accelerate collapse, Tainter identifies that the fundamental cause of societal collapse is almost always economic — a decline in per-capita energy availability (in the form of food, oil, etc.). This can be staved off (at least temporarily) through innovations that increase productivity or the procurement of more energy resources. In the case of the Roman Empire, this was resolved via conquest. However, as the Empire expanded, so did the cost and complexity of its maintenance. Energy resources are finite and imperialism has diminishing returns.
One of Tainter’s most important observations is that some societies are functionally unable to “voluntarily” collapse due to geopolitical pressures. For example, the Western Roman Empire was able to devolve into smaller, simpler entities (e.g. Diocletian’s Tetrarchy), as its competing neighbors were small tribal societies, less complex and powerful than Rome. However, Byzantium, the Eastern Roman Empire, bordered the equally powerful and complex Parthian-Sasanian Empire. If Byzantium was to self-collapse and devolve, it would have undoubtedly been conquered by the Parthian-Sasanian empire and absorbed into their realm. This would have prolonged the existence of their complex society, but may have resulted in the total destruction of the Byzantine people.
Anti-Collapsitarianism
(A few thoughts on ideas I see championed by various Collapsitarians. There’s probably more to say on this topic but I don’t want to invest too much time in this).
Accelerationism, the most renowned Collapsitarian ideology, can be succinctly summarized as “losing is winning” or “cope: the ideology.” It stems from anti-capitalist theories that aim to end capitalism by expanding capitalism and accelerating towards technological singularity, the point at which technological growth becomes uncontrollable and irreversible.
The basic theory of political Accelerationism is as follows:
Intentionally worsening social material conditions to accelerate the collapse of “The System” (note: the system is rarely defined) will allow revolutionaries to violently take power — or force the “lemmings” (lit: normal people, working-class, proletariat, peasants, etc.) to spontaneously rise up and depose the current ruling elite, at which point, revolutionaries can take their place and crown themselves dictators for life (or something).
Note: I would define “The System” as the fusion of Globalist political apparatus (UN, EU, etc.) and the international corporate technological system (big tech, corporations, etc.) since it’s all owned and controlled by the same small gang of people.
Managed decline
The most obvious flaw with Accelerationist theory, from a Right-Wing or nationalist perspective, is that societal collapse (or managed decline, at least) is precisely what Globalist elites are gunning for. They’ve been steering Western Civilization towards total implosion from the moment they secured political hegemony at the end of the Second World War. Every Globalist policy, from debt slavery to mass migration, is designed to destabilize society while reducing all non-elite living standards to slum-tier slavery. With the dawn of the “New Normal,” this is now more true than ever. Globalists proudly announce their schemes to transform the entire West into a dystopian multiracial slave colony (preferably populated by an amorphous, nondescript race, akin to modern South American “Hispanics”), whereby the masses are housed in human bug hive “Smart Cities” and subsist on a diet of maggot paste and lab-grown “meat.” They just dress it up with some shiny, deceptive branding; Agenda 21, Sustainable Development Goals, The Great Reset, etc. Elites may be planning to create some sort of technologically advanced breakaway society, from which they can lord over technologically impoverished Western vassal states. Ultimate endgames aside, Globalists have implemented Accelerationist principles far more effectively than any self-proclaimed Accelerationist could ever dream of doing.
Elites hold all of the cards
Who would win in a shit-hit-the-fan collapse situation: The ideologically cohesive Globalist elites, who comfortably control all of the wealth, technology, military, and infrastructure, or the insanely divided, impoverished multi-racial masses, who are already devolving into the most basal forms of interethnic conflict? It doesn’t take a genius to predict the outcome of such a scenario: Resource scarcity would drive the lower masses to interethnic and interracial genocide, while the elites either flee the country or sit out the carnage, protected by their minions. It’s probably worth noting that this scenario — the reduction of the West to a ruinous shit heap plagued by interethnic/interracial violence and genocide — may be the desired end-goal of Globalists, who can easily set up shop in the East (Russia, China, etc.), as they are currently doing. Nevertheless, any societal collapse in the West would play directly into the hands of elites, simply resulting in further consolidation of their power.
Peasant revolt
The first and most obvious flaw with the “autonomous peasant revolt” theory is that there is barely a single example of a successful peasant revolt in the entirety of human history, autonomous or not. Any historically successful revolutions have always had some degree of elite support and, more often than not, revolutions are simply one gang of elites using the masses as a weapon to depose and replace another gang of elites. Marxism is the prime example of this process.
A more pertinent question may be whether or not the average individual is even capable of violent revolution today, given the grotesquely debased state of modern man. A revolution in a non-collapse scenario is a big ask for a morbidly obese population with the testosterone levels of a 12-year-old girl. In a collapse scenario, the average modern man would more happily masturbate himself to death while he starves than join a violent struggle for resources, let alone an ideological political struggle.
Starving the system
A common strategy advocated by collapsitarians is “Starving the Beast.” The idea is to convince as many regular people as possible to abandon the system by living off-grid, locally and sustainably, and by escaping the financial system via cryptocurrency, and so on. Once a critical mass of people have abandoned The System, it will supposedly collapse due to a “lack of fuel.”
Everyone Retvrning to Tradition and living innawoods sounds nice and cozy, except for one glaringly obvious problem: The people attempting to starve the system will never convince enough regular folk to abandon their creature comforts and join what most would regard as a hobo enclave. Factor in mass migration and everyone who drops out of the system will be instantly replaced by welfare-loving migrants. The system provides the masses their every material want and need in excess, and is specifically designed to pacify their anger and protests as the West sinks further and further into decline. See: pornography, junk food, media entertainment, mental health “medication”, etc. The average individual is completely reliant upon the system, and generally too impoverished to establish a homestead and escape its clutches. Plus, we already know what happens to any vaguely Right-Wing off-grid homesteads: Waco and Ruby Ridge.
Survivalist enclaves and nomadism
Also known as “suicide.” White survivalist enclaves will simply lead to the extinction of Whites, as overwhelming quantities of migrants are imported into our countries, with no resistance from the native populace. There are countless historic examples of White peoples being overwhelmed by excessive migration, the Scythians or Tocharians, for example. Take a look at Xinjiang and Kazakhstan and you’ll see what remains of them: A few rare instances of blue eyes and red hair among populations that are otherwise phenotypically East Asian. Steady mass migration and miscegenation is, historically, the number one path to extinction for an ethnic group or race. Likewise, becoming a nomadic stateless population will lead to “Ashkenization” (becoming a mixed-race via outbreeding). Both of these “solutions” will result in the same fate that our enemies are currently attempting to inflict upon us.
Conclusion
Becoming less reliant upon the system is generally a good idea, it’s certainly advisable to grow your own food and live locally. However, Accelerationism and other strains of Collapsitarianism are pure cope. These ideologies convince people to either sit back and do nothing while their enemies literally ethnically cleanse them, or start fedposting like a doofus and end up behind bars or dead — but not before wrecking the public image of nationalism and giving elites more reason to crackdown on political dissent (which, of course, accelerationists would argue is a good thing, because “losing is actually winning”).
The Globalist system is far more stable and versatile than people think. The fact that South Africa, Brazil, Zimbabwe, and Venezuela are still afloat should give you an idea of how much deterioration a society can take before it collapses. The West is far more likely to break out into widespread inter-ethnic warfare before any societal collapse occurs, as seen with the inter-migrant race wars in France, but even that scenario is less likely than a steady managed decline into complete shit.
Removing yourself from society removes yourself from the political power process, which is the equivalent of tossing aside a videogame controller and throwing a hissy fit because things “aren’t fair.” It isn’t a solution, it’s escapism. You can dance around in the woods wearing Viking helmets as much as you want, but it fundamentally helps nobody and your descendants will meet the same fate as all other Whites.
Completely agree. The only positive thing I can think of Varg is that he has eight children. But that is also possible for normal Christian families who don’t boast about shitting in a bucket. Other than that he has proven an anti-social saboteur. There are serious attempts of independence like Orania in South Africa however. Yet they are still subject to the law and subjects of the state, so the bl*ck commies can dissolve it Waco style any time they feel like it. Plus the globalists and their minions are already gunning for it, as well as any folkish settlers in Europe; in Germany they already sent the feds and journofa after them.
There’s no running away and no magic “if you lose, you win”-button. This is global now. AH was the last serious resistance. Now it’s global mega capital-communism, globalized centralization of capital, banking and government in their hands.
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The further I read the article, the further I’m convinced that @thuletide is nothing more than a fed/grifter who’s in the dissident right circle, just for clouts.
Let me first make a statement that I AM not for accelerationism, as this would mean a loss of countless life & further consolidation of power by the globalists.
Regardless of the validity of the various argument that you have made in your article, you provided zero solution to the main problem that the whites are facing in the west.
If so called “accelerationism”, “retvrn to tradition” & “starving” aren’t the solutions to the globalist menace, pray tell what’s the solution that would actually work against the globalists ?
What meticulous plans do you have that would let us wrest power from the globalists ?
This question seems quite rhetorical since I probably know the answer.
If you legit think that playing politics would help us win back control from the globalists, I’m sorry to say that you’re even more retarded than the average accelerationist. The faux Presidential election should have been a wake up call for anyone who thinks we can win the war against the globalists.
Heck, this article of yours itself provide the reason why playing politics against the globalists is a futile exercise that would only make people hate your ideas even more.
If the plebs are too addicted & satiated to start a revolution or live off the grid, what makes you think you can win these plebs by your side ?
Here’s a challenge. Convince me that whatever solution you propose would actually work.
If you don’t have any legit solution, don’t bother wasting your time writing anti-globalist articles & shitposting on twitter.
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not reading all that
hope you had fun seething
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Let me make it brief for your extremely short attention span. What kind of solution do you have for the current globalism menace ?
Period.
Side-Note: At least I know now that you’re just another clout chasing e-right winger like those loser groyper gangs & Nick Fuentes. At least I took the time reading your useless article.
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Deja vu, mate, heard this crap before.
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What solution do YOU propose ?
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To put it very brief, creating a parallel system of your own, either within the current pozzed System or out of it, first by starting a community of like minded people.
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That’s what I’m doing, starting with financial liberty.
But oddly, I did not found @thuletide’s solution to be very different, on the contrary, it’s complementary.
Don’t understand why you both oppose yours solutions.
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I’ll post a question that’s been already asked, taking off all the low-vibe keyboard warrior stuff, since I genuinely appreciated this sensible critique of accelerationism.
What solution would you propose instead, to avoid the complete downfall of the Western civilisation? I have my own ideas, but I’d like to see yours.
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Too many things to fit in a reply tbh. We have a lot of problems and none of them are solved by hiding in the woods or doing arbitrary terrorism.
Random examples that immediately come to mind: Developing alt-tech, arts and culture projects (like Survive the Jive), doing decentralized propaganda work (like 100 Hands or whatever it’s name is), running as independent candidates in local politics (I see this happening in Europe with anti-lockdown/Agenda 21 candidates), establishing a political network with mainstream politicians like America First (regardless of any ideological criticism of AF, the strategy seems ok), activism stuff like Patriot Front, re-colonizing academia or establishing parallels institutions (even Liberals are now talking about this due to the total dominance of Western Marxists). That’s like 3 minutes of thinking, I’m sure you could come up with 100 more ideas in 30 minutes.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with preparing for shit to hit the fan and for society to decline massively, practicing survivalism etc., but that isn’t *politics* and it doesn’t do anything to rectify the mess we are in.
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Every solution that you’ve mentioned here gives short them benefit at best. For all of these solutions to work, I have to ask, do you have your own Rockefellers & Rothschilds to fund your endeavors ? I’m sure you have an answer, if you had actually studied how the global elites today have gained their power.
Your solutions will also not work for the same reason why you think accelerationism et al will not work.
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They took power through two thousand year of constant subversion and only in the last 200 years did they have any significant influence on Western politics at all. You obviously want a magical overnight fix.
What are you solutions, dipshit?
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Then learn from their tactics of subversion idiot. No one is stopping the whites to employ the same tactics the tiny hat tribes used to subvert the rest of your western civilization.
My solution can be boiled to down just creating a parallel system with like minded individuals, first by forming a community. You have to take control of the cultural narrative but you don’t have any super-rich elites by your sides for now.
Much like how the chosen tribe didn’t have any elites on their side after they were kicked out of Judea by Hadrian, up until 200 years.
You already lost miserably against the Judeo-Masonic cabal. You have no choice but to play the long game like the (((them))) to gain back control.
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what do we do then
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Too many words, I’ll condense it further:
what do
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IMO, don’t expect him to give any definitive answer. He’s an e-right wing grifter now, farming for online clouts, just like those losers in Nick Fuentes gangs.
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I’ve seen you bitching a lot here in the comments section about Thuletide not giving solutions that convince you, but I haven’t seen anything proposed by you yourself, yet.
Basically the pot calling the kettle black.
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Look at my comments above. There lies my own solutions.
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If a person criticize a system or an ideology, they have an obligation to provide a better solution/alternative to those things. Otherwise you basically condemning people who want solution into a nihilistic attempt at repeating the same mistake over and over again, & expecting different result. That’s how you get black-pillers who entertains nihilistic ideas like accelerationism. Because people in their circle provide no better alternative, & when some of them do, they are put down by other right wing grifters.
Writing a long ass article criticising something means shit if you can’t provide any solutions.
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Banned for being a retard. Stop reading my blog.
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Sabbatai Zevi (1626-1676) was the first (moral) collapsitarian. I could be wrong, but I have never come across anyone in history before him who had advocated collapsitarianism to take control. Ataturk was his idealogical heir. Normies think he was a Turkish Nationalist, but he was Donmeh. The Armenian Genocide was not done by Turks. Whenever in history there has been mass Christian death, most likely the usual suspects are there in the background pulling the strings.
There is no political solution. What do we do then? I don’t know what Pagans do…fret…stew…utilize the globalist’s own tools to try and reach normies? (wasted effort IMHO) A GENUINE Christian prays without ceasing…and lives in hope of the better world to come.
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The common problem I see with criticizing approaches (typically in an intellectual/political vs violence/terrorism mindset), to use an example, is that you aren’t going to have your Lebanon without Hezbollah. And both sides are going to look pathetic in their growth stages.
The NRM in Sweden tried the whole parallel institution etc approach, and the last two things I remember about that is a podcast featuring an NRM representative admitting they were more or less stonewalled and had to give up and wait for more people to wake up, and that after that, a number of their radical members naturally left to form Nordic Strength and do violence.
Now, I don’t know their current relationship to each other, but imagine if they worked in tandem. The reason everyone is waiting for AH to reappear is mainly for the logistics/organization between these two types of nascent groups, no?
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Wow the high time preference people bailed out of NRM to go be violent goofballs and achieve nothing except getting their organization into even more shit? What a shocking revelation.
Fuck off and don’t endorse terrorism in my comment section you moron.
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gibs me men’s traditional costumes
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I haven’t heard the theory that “collapse” is a loss of complexity. From that perspective, going off innawoods or trying to establish a homestead/community of homesteads seems like an attempt to shield oneself from collapse by pre-emptively adapting oneself to a lifestyle of a society with a lower degree of complexity. On a large scale, that seems like a defeatest strategy due to such individuals’ inability to create a true resistance to the tyranny. Personally I cannot see anything wrong with wanting to be self-sufficient or resource-independent, but you are right that it isn’t a strategy to defeat the enemy. It’s defensive, reactive–an inherently losing position.
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Yea Joseph Tainter is a smart guy. He has some lectures on YouTube iirc. Hiding in the woods is basically pre-emptively collapsing your own lifestyle so that you don’t get destroyed by actual societal collapse when it occurs. Also iirc J.M. Greer wrote a book on this subject, something like “Collapse Now to Avoid the Rush.” Haven’t read it though.
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Yikes.
Sorry but this article is a giant projection exercise by you.
Globalists DON’T want an actual race war, they want whites dead without uttering a whisper in response to their genocide.
Oh, and actual “fedposting” is the total opposite of what you say (alphabet boys’ job is to deradicalize).
Your huffy reply in the comment section is also childish and cringe.
Stick to propaganda and research, because you lack the prospettive of what actual struggle will consist of.
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Feds #1 role is the disruption of right-wing activities and organization, which they do by “deradicalizing” (re-indoctrinating) moderate people who are becoming more right-wing (i.e. some normie who is beginning to notice that race is relevant to politics) via people like Jordan Peterson, and also by radicalizing and blackpilling/demoralizing non-moderate people into being dumb fedposters and embracing schizo ideologies, via organizations like O9A and general infiltration and entrapment.
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Don’t really care for Jordan Peterson, nor any other like him, such as Turd Flinging Monkey, Sandman, etc. Whether it’s feminism and anti-feminism, pro-White and anti-White and on and on they love to control the narrative from many sides and angles. I also don’t care for “wings” such as left and right wing. Right originally had nothing to do with wings, but had more to do with right and wrong, Order, Truth and higher Principles, including the Order and Law of higher Cosmic Principles. Metaphysics is something else that’s been hi-jacked and co-opted by occult forces and sectarian schisms among the masses over thousands of years. Nikola Tesla, Walter Russell, Michael Faraday, etc are better meta-physicians than the occultists who claim to be meta-physicians. We’re surrounded by satanic, atheistic, creationist, pagan and rationalized so-called science across all ideologies, beliefs, etc that are filth.
Good article.
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I honestly don’t see how we can save the west atm. I would prefer the collapse not be slow if at all possible if it’s inevitably going to happen but that’s probably selfish thinking. Saving our family and local communities from becoming atomised and finding a way to make taboo topics mainstream is all we can do atm.
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Don’t worry, there isn’t going to be a collapse in our lifetime, or probably even our children’s lifetime. This system is global, so if one region starts to lag another can pick up the slack to support it. If somewhere as big as the West collapsed, it would cause a global Bronze Age Collapse.
I wouldn’t say that’s *all* we can do, but I agree that those things are top priorities.
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The collapse is a hope for many, a deus ex machina that saves the situation. In a way, it’s very similar to “muh rapture” of the Judeo-Christians. From what I can see, white resistance is a hoax or a joke, so the only way out of our situation is for the system to fall under its own weight. Unfortunately, the most likely scenario is a controlled demolition of the West. It seems that they want to move the economic and politic center of the world somewhere between China and the Kalergi Republic of Russia.
BTW, I just discovered your blog. Somebody mentioned your name on an Apollonian Germ stream. He mentioned you in connection to the Jewish IQ hoax ( I was already familiar with the points you made on your Jewish IQ post). From what I see, your blog posts seem to be intelligent. I come from a position that is a combination of white nationalism (Renegade Broadcasting) + Miles Mathis + other revisonism that is probably too crazy for people reading your blog (embodied by people like Rae West or calcified lies). Nonetheless, good to see a person that discusses “white topics” and at the same time you seem to be more advanced in your thinking. Your observation that (((they))) can move their shop in Russia or China, already puts you ahead of many people in the white nationalist scene that talk about muh based Russia or Putin.
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Thanks.
Regarding Eurasianism: I don’t know why people deny that a tribe they literally call “globalists” or “the international cabal” would be acting globally/internationally. A lot of people seem to have this bizarre idea that the international conspiracy to create a world government is somehow inextricably linked to America. The same people usually take the same approach to Communism, claiming that Communism magically stopped existing along with the collapse of the USSR (which may have been little more than a rebranding, if the Perestroika Deception is to be believed).
I don’t think I’m a particularly smart guy, and I don’t think that these are difficult ideas to grasp or that the relevant information is difficult to come by, so I can only conclude that a lot of this obfuscation comes from spooks. This article on leading Alt-Righters’ links to GRU (Russian CIA) may interest you: https://thuletide.wordpress.com/2020/08/16/alt-right-and-identitarian-links-to-aleksandr-dugin-tldr-version-pdf/
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Reeks of that ex-counter currents writer or whatever who’s gotten brainworms and accuses every e-celeb on the ‘alt-right’ of being a communist/Russian agent. (I can’t remember his name – he used to put out interesting stuff, he’s ceased to be noteworthy for some time.)
In other words, reeks of D&C. America the myth is dead. Communism vs capitalism is a false (and dead) dialectic. Both are surprisingly similar technocratic systems of control managed by oligarchs, usually Jews. The battleground of the future is class and race. If you side with the elite and against your folk, you are a class and race traitor. From my perch here, I struggle to see how D&C bait helps our cause.
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You reek of 90 IQ TRS paypig. Go be a moron somewhere else and save me from your stupidity.
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It’s kind of funny. When I was young and naive, I thought the future would be some technocratic utopia. I bought into the whole technological singularity thing. When I got more into politics, I thought a colossal collapse would happen. I figured people in charge just really didn’t know what they were doing, and things would fall to hell organically. Now I know this was all done on purpose. Managed decline is basically baked into the cake now, save some natural disaster or other clearly providential event.
We’re looking at a world wide favella hut filled cyberpunk dystopia. The globalists only struggle will be somehow balancing having enough surveillance technology to keep dissent from popping up and also keeping us thoroughly third world and dysfunctional. I guess we bide our time with the modest political moves we can make then wait for them to make a mistake.
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“We’re looking at a world wide favella hut filled cyberpunk dystopia. The globalists only struggle will be somehow balancing having enough surveillance technology to keep dissent from popping up and also keeping us thoroughly third world and dysfunctional.”
Couldn’t have said it better myself. What they’re gunning for is genuinely a mishmash of every dystopian “fiction” out there; Blade Runner x Children of Men x Brave New World x 1984.
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What can we actually do to stop (((them)))?
Clearly the Vargpill isn’t gonna save us…
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The big issue in the right is lack of organizational advertising. Honestly, the only solutions are secession and counter economics, but the right never co-operates enough for that. We need to do like the free state project of new hamsphire, and take over a small state, like wyoming, then spread tendrils from there. Private police is a must, and everyone on the right should be signed up for an app that we make that provides it. Just this alone is enough, because if we can ignore public law enforcement and replace it with a high efficiency black ops private police with HQ, protected by a state we control, we have enough. And yes, i know this sounds like fed posting but look at any dysfunctional place. South africa for example private police is the largest in the world. Detroit has some, too. They just need to be militarized and masked so identification can’t be attained from them.
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Reblogged this on Muunyayo .
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